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I have a questions for the users of Mastodon.

Should we silence or just let them be?

I don't want to make this decision by myself. Please let me know what you think!

@snder Why would you "silence" them? Makes no sense. Just cos you dont agree with someone doesnt remove their right to say whatever they want to say. Your view is your view and theirs is theirs. Neither may be right. Yours may be. Theirs may be. Surely the conversation is more important than the outcome? Cancel culture is evil and appalling and should be fought against by all with a mind. Remember how people react to words or media is entirely their choice not the choice of its creator.

@Supes

Well, just like you say it's my right to do whatever I want in this case :)

I am the one who bought and setup the server so that makes me in charge I guess? But I don't want to be a 'ruler' on this instance and that's why I posted this poll to ask the users what they want!

I'm not a big fan of Gab that's true but that's also my right. Did you know I have blocked my own instance as well? quey should be a place that you can visit when you're at work or public places

@snder Yeah im totally cool with you doing whatever you want with your own instance as long as your users are supportive. They always have the option to go elsewhere. I know my instance (socnet.supes.com) will welcome gab with open arms and anyone else who has anything to say even if I personally disagree with them. I think its good you are asking your users I just think this hysteria around #gab is way out of control. Talk of app developers blocking them is just appalling!

@Supes

Thanks 🙂 I'm always asking my users before I make major changes! I'm also just a user on the platform but I just happen to have root access haha

Well there are multiple side here.. Gab is fucked because there apps where removed from the App and Play Sores so I totally get the fear of being removed when you allow gab for instance (lol) On the other side i'm not a big fan of blocking, trust me.. I have my issues with Eugen! But the user comes first with me soo!

Dont bother about Eugen.

Now you have own fork of Mastodon.😅
@snder @Supes

@noor

Oh I won't, it's just a bitch situation that's all

@Supes

@snder @noor
I think the issue is you cant start something as open source free speech blah blah then change your position when you dont agree with free speech. Its hypocritical and pathetic. open source is like giving birth to a child. You dont know what life choices it will make or direction in life. If you dont agree stop contributing dont try and control it

You were referring to Eugen ?

Even Linus ran things in tight manner.

And open source is nothing to do with free speech as far I knoq

@Supes @snder

@noor @snder

Linus lost control just as Eugen is loosing control. yes it has nothing to do with free speech. Eugen and other early adopters used free speech as a selling point of the platform. Lack of central control etc etc. Reality is the platform should be encouraging Gab. the number of daily active users will go through the roof and thats a good thing. Just cos you disagree with their views or politics does not make them any less valuable to the platform as anyone else.

Oh, thank for the explanation.

Sounds clear now.

Points about Eugen and Linus makes sensible.

About Gab, all I simple afraid about in courtesy manner as I've heard.

I've interacted with single Gab user who is nice.

There are other people who are not Gab users but their behaviour is unacceptable.


@Supes @snder

@Supes

It's absolutly okay to have an opinion but I need to say that's it's a very grey area when people are calling for free speech or just posting hate and racism..

I can't say that I know the difference it's very hard but what I do know is that I want to create an online place where people can feel safe and post what they want with in their minds the guidelines.

quey is easy, sinblr is a lot harder but on a very different level.

@noor

@snder @noor
Mate my view is it doesnt matter what people are saying it is the consumer of the information who needs to take responsibility of how they react and what they do from there. If someone is spouting shit of any kind be it racist or be it I dont like the car you drive I as a consumer decide to block that individual or just ignore it. People need to take the responsibility. Not everyone will agree with you or think the same as you. It is up to you what you do with your own reaction

A fair point.

Racism and abuse are not tolerant everywhere right.

Also, it is fine to see a healthy discussion here.

Cheers

@Supes @snder
By the way, how do you consider yourself, similar as Gab user ?

Just asking.

@Supes @snder
@Supes @snder @noor
>Eugen and other early adopters used free speech as a selling point of the platform
Eugen never used free speech as a selling point for Mastodon. It was quite the opposite. He made a point to label those of us who ran pro-free speech GNU Social instances as Nazis which he then used for his first media push.

@dude @noor @snder Sorry I stand corrected. It must have been some of the early adopters.

@Supes yeah, there was a group of 4 or so GS instances that were around before Mastodon started, shitposter, smug, sealion, and freezepeach that were known for being the sort of wild west of the fediverse back in the day. SPC and smug are on Pleroma now. SPC and FZP died with a server failure a few months ago. @snder @noor

@dude @noor @snder Well im glad there are people on that platform that are pushing free speech as something important. This cancel culture is counter productive and needs to be called out for what it is. Anyway my instance will not censor or block any other instance. If users want to block people they are free to do so but I wont be doing it at the instance level ever

@Supes fair enough and agreed. I've been on the other side of the SJW wall since they showed up. Even though I'm on a solo instance now I only block illegal content (read cheese pizza). Blocking Gab is silly, I don't want to miss the shitshow :dude-happy: @snder @noor
@Supes indeed, I want to embrace the shitshow by it's whole fucking face :dude: @snder @noor

@snder @Supes

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. Gab maybe full of Nazis or it might not be. I don't really know, and some of the people hyperventilating about Gab label everyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi (e.g. Candace Owens). Keep in mind, many of them also said LibremOne was full of Nazis, but so far LibremOne is excessively tame.

Now if Gab is full of Nazis or white supremacists, then they'll be banned. Life's too short to put up with stupid shit like that.

@rcode3 @snder
Totally agree, judging a group of people by the words of a few is not productive or positive. As users we dont have to have conversations with or even see users we dont like for whatever reason. The tools are there. My frustration is the hysteria and grandstanding around this. Its like "im more woke than you" competition and its unedifying

@UltraCommie @rcode3 @snder @Supes

Silencing seems to be far more evil. You spend time crafting a polite response to a post with a carefully worded counter argument only to find that your post is thrown away and they never see it.

I can call @gargon@mastodon.social and know he’ll never be offended, because he will never see this post

@ChrisWilson @UltraCommie @rcode3 @snder @Supes Depends on who is doing the silencing or banning. Once politicians are on fediverse I think they should never ban, only silence. I'm OK with them saying "I never want to see your responses", not OK with "I never want anyone else to see your responses". Unless I misunderstand how silencing works on mastodon?

@rcode3

Well, I am over here and I can say the following:

Normal people exist here that is just interested in cooking, tea, playing chess etc

There is a higher amount of idiots that is posting "lets kill kikes" and so on - and they are getting quite the amount of upvotes, boosts and likes.

I do recommend silencing gab.com

@snder @Supes

What ?

U blocked the other instance ?

How Quey users follow Sin ????

@snder

@Lunnaris

It’s about the ‘free speech’ social network Gab.com who recently joined the fediverse :)

@snder Do you have a policy on silencing? I'd argue it should be based on policy not the whims of the masses. But thats just my 2 cents as a non-member. Tyranny of the majority seems to be an ongoing problem with mastodon instances IMO.

@freemo

Kind of I think but it's not really clear yet where they land I'm afraid. I think the masses are right in this case, I mean we can always silence them later if they cause trouble right!

@snder I mean for me I'd say if the policy isnt clear then clarify on the policy. Set up clear rules for what will get an instance silenced. Then apply it to the behavior of gab.

Personally on my server our policy is only to silence servers in extreme situations for example if it is used primarily for spam or if individual users are encourage and allowed to open up multiple accounts to harass people and avoid individual bans without any admin intervention. Stuff like that. We wont silence for users being offensive personally,

But each server should have their own policy and apply it objectively IMO.

@freemo

Haha no I meant the whole Gab situation ;-) I think our policy is clear about those things but I want to be sure before silencing them.

I haven't seen anything yet from Gab so far so haha!

@snder can't vote on this old-version mastodon instance, but would vote suspend.

@snder I use Gab a lot and I don’t think that I’m an extremist. It’s just a pretty chill media with awesome groups on gardening. 😉

@snder There is something to the realm of free speech. And that gab hasnt done anything wrong here, yet. However, are we to ignore thier reputation as having nationalist, supremasists, and neo-nazis? Reputation can be an indication of future actions. My question would be: How sustanciated is the reputation? I would be interested in an investigation.

@snder There is also the matter of allowing toxic idealogies to spread. Twitter/Fb wont firmly block it because it would decrease engadgment and user numbers. For, you know, free (monotary) speech reasons. Maybe that is how we got the new wave of terrorist recruitment and neo-nazism. Perhaps it would have happened anyway.

But the more that it is available, the more that those suseptable to it can take it in. That i would like to avoid.

@Scofisticated

It’s a complicated matter that’s for sure! I think it’s best to watch and observe for a little while, we can always make the decision to silence them if things get out of hand 🙂

@snder
is not free sprach but glorification of Nazi Terror!

@rysdal

I've setup a test instance on cyzed.com if you're interested in checkout out there changes ;)

@snder
And what do you want me to checkout? And how does it work? I do not have good IT skills!

@rysdal

It's just for fun ;) They've changed the complete layout and removed some features..

@snder
Ok! Sounds funny! But do I have to create a new account for entering the side?

@rysdal

Yes you have ;) If you signup I'll confirm your account so you can use a random email

@snder

Ok, I will sign in!

But ... what is a random E-Mail?...

@rysdal Something like:

"jkdggjkhdkjhduiudhu@fhfjhfjkhjfk.com"

@snder
Just realizing that it is gab, the side for right wing activists! Not what I support!

@rysdal Haha no it's not ;)

I've setup my own server with the Gab source code 🙂

It's just a test server and I'll remove anyone who tries to act like it's Gab :)

@snder
OK, will create an account with this Fake Mail: inexpressible@world.eu.
But how could I remember if everything is fake?

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